I DO appreciate your opinion on them PurpNGold, not trying to be argumentative at all, just playing “devil’s advocate” a little for them to entice the reasoning behind “yay, or nay”. I understand what you said, i could get more dense and just MORE production out of HLG brand lighting. I looked LOCALLY at a “mom & pop” gardening shop called Fifth Season at their HLG lamps they had in stock. HOLY COW she wanted 329 for the 100W one that amazon had for like 189 or something (they were still high, figured it was a QUALITY brand, and read so a lot while researching, just PRICEY!! for a startup endeavor ). If i were going for PRODUCTION, like yeah, you know like for what, i’d probably drop the cheese on a major setup and have several indoor things going on simultaneously like i’ve read some setups achieving but again I’m not trying to do anything like that I truly MAY find that as you say, it doesn’t give me the results I would like, and i end up having a sad, frowny face as key i.d. features in the end result. THAT’s when i’m like, hey buddyyyyyyyy, you still need some LIGHTS? LOL, or i could use them for fledglings coming up or cloning or something and get something else for the operational “tent” (there’s no tents in here, just mylar lined walls/areas in a ventilated room, via ceiling fan and small positioned oscillating fans).