Wanting to try a Organic grow, Any advice on organic nuts?

I’ve never used that brand tea so not sure what color it should be but usually the clear water will darken as it brews to a brownish color. Just follow the directions on the product and you’ll be fine.
Are you saying the end tea was still clear like water after the brew was done?
I would suggest bubbling for closer to 24 hours-36. 48 would in my opinion be the max. 24 hours depending on the mix would be bacterial dominate and that’s what you want. 48 hrs and it becomes more fungal dominant. Just make sure you smell it before using and if it smells earthy your good but if it smells bad like wet rotting grass toss it and start again…you’ll know.
As far as all the bubbles up top (foam) it isn’t necessarily an indication good or bad. As long as you were getting a decent amount of aeration with the set up that’s fine. My pump is similar to this one


as I wanted to have the larger capacity in case I brew a trash can size brew but usually just use 1 or 2 air stones

in a 5 gallon bucket usually with only 4 gallons of water because of the foam with a saucer underneath the bucket for the foam overflow.
I initially used a smaller aquarium pump as I used to have many fish tanks set up and they worked fine. If I need more tea I’ll use 2 buckets and brew 8 gallons at at a time and that’s where the larger pump shines.
The 240 ppm would be fine to feed them the tea straight up or you could dilute it too. I use boogie brew tea mix and when making the normal strength mix (1/2 cup part A and 1/2 cup part B for 5 gallons water) it ends up about 450-550 ppm at least last time I actually checked but I don’t bother checking it anymore as it was pretty consistent ppm from brew to brew. That tea I usually then mix it 1:1 with RO water and feed. You don’t want to adjust the PH of the tea after it has finished just feed.
I usually just dump the mix into the bucket of RO water and brew it. I have bags I can put the mix in but don’t bother anymore. If needed based on how I apply it I will use a big strainer (if I use my battery powered pump as it can clog from residue) that people use in the kitchen and pour it into RO water mixing 1:1 usually just pour it in without straining when using a watering can like one uses for house plants or outside garden…any left over stuff I’ll scrape out and top dress into pots or put in old soil that I’m re amending or into my compost pile.
Make sure to clean everything used in brewing afterwards…bucket, watering can air stones etc…after cleaning the air stones I run them upside down for a bit to help clean them out for next use otherwise you’ll replace them more often.

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Yo I so appreciate that response. I need to read it a couple more times just to soak it in. But when you say 1:1 you saying you brew 4 gallons then pour it into 4 more gallons of RO water? And did I read it right you don’t use filter bags? Just strain it if I use my sprayed or pour it on with my watering can?

I appreciate this help the roots organic bag and the website says nothing in detail it’s just basic put 1 tbl per gallon in bag and bubble for 24-48 hrs… and yes my water looked just like ro water lol had a lil smell to it but not very bad. Thanks again.

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Yep 1:1 is 4 gal tea to 4 gal RO or whatever amount you brew but again that’s using boogie brew product…look it up it’s a great mix.
Yep many use bags and even boogie brew sends a burlap bag with order and I used to use it but found it was easier at cleanup time to not have to clean that too. Yep if using foliar feed…veg only for me …not in flower… and when foliar I will strain it first…watering can I don’t strain cause it doesn’t clog it.
Be careful with foliar and do so with lights turned down as the ppm particles can affect the leaves if light full blast. I really don’t foliar much anymore unless say I have a magnesium deficiency and will use about 3-4 ml Epsom salt per quart and foliar spray as it acts quicker than adding to water and watering it in or top dressing it and watering later etc.
Again a ton off info on boogie brew site as well as many other organic products…check them out.
Also I use down to earth dry nutrients line check out their site…much good info and been around since 1977 and respects the earth (DTE) products to build my soil before using as well as supplement during grow and re amend old soil…either dump and amend or what I do now is no till so leave soil in pots and amend it with their stuff for next grow.
Here is a link to my journal

and you may get some info from there as well as others that post on this forum. Link is my last post. The video shown is well worth the time to watch it…scroll back up my journal some good stuff about Organics etc.

Look here too

https://support.ilovegrowingmarijuana.com/c/soil-building/95
And here

https://support.ilovegrowingmarijuana.com/c/beneficial-microbes-fungi-bacteria/100

Enjoy

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Just started a new batch of tea for tomorrow’s feeding/watering
Here is my set up…

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RO water in bucket with sea 90
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Using one air stone with the other 5 taps on valve shut off.

Added 1 Tbsp of sea 90 and then 1/2 cup part A and 1/2 cup part B boogie brew and the last pic shows right after adding boogie brew and it isn’t clear…it’s dark brown and rich. Will be fed in 24-30 hours as I want a bacterial dominant tea. Put a lid on it to keep the light from it as the critters don’t like the light…when done I do usually have a foam and that will run over sides a bit so I have the saucer under the bucket.

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nice set up i like that pump going to order me one.
i was about to give the brew another try but how long can i keep the left over tea? cause i am only using it for my 3 girls in 3 gal fabric pots so i dont think i will need that much so i was wondering should i just make 1gal and do the 1:1 like you said and water all 3 with the 2 gallons or do i go ahead and make 4:4 mix and save some for the next feed? i just watered them with a top dressing of the tea and the roots organic elemental a couple days ago and they about due for another tomorrow torn between starting a brew or just mixing it all in the water and pouring it in.

side question is that straw in that bucket and is that used in your tea?

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Teas need to be used pretty much the same day you finish brewing give or take 6-12 hours after that the food in the mix like molasses (sugars) will be depleted and the critters that are multiplying in the tea will run out of food and it will go bad with all those rotting corpses…lol
You can brew up to around 48 hours if you want a fungal dominant tea and you can extend the brew a bit longer by adding more food like molasses unsulphered like in the pic or other food sources but if you push it the tea will go bad and kill stuff.
Yea I am currently using 4 gallons brewed and mix that 50:50 with RO water as I’m using atm 8 gallons to water them all as well as using some on my cooking soil and earth worm farm and a couple house plants. I have brewed just a gallon at a time and 50:50 that too when needing less. Sometimes I’ll brew 2 buckets at a time when the plants are bigger and drinking a lot. Just adjust your recipe to fit your needs.
I just watched a great video last week that led me to pretty much stick with the 24 hour brew time for bacterial dominant teas during the grow to maintain a good soil Ph.
The Myco fungi so what you’ll want to either inoculate the roots with at transplant time/s as the proper strain shown on the slides have been proven to play well with cannabis roots to help feed them. The Myco fungi exude (poop) an acidic Ph (below 7) poo and the bacteria exude (poop) a basic PH above 7 and the two together will help keep the soil Ph within a good range…from what I learned from the video (posted on my journal)
Up to you but I don’t use my dry tea mix and top dress with it as it ends up costing more and is less effective than brewing. I do top dress with worm Poo from time to time and will even toss a handful of that into my brew in addition to the boogie brew. It’s more effective brewing / growing the bacteria etc than top dressing it.

The straw I use as a mulch to help with water retention as well as food for the critters as well as the leaves I remove just like a mini indoor compost pile you need your browns (straw) and your greens (leaves) and the critters munch on that break it down over time and add carbon nitrogen etc etc to the soil that plants can eventually use…just like an outside garden.
One of the slides do reference a different type of tea that I really haven’t delved into but will shortly as it also looks like a winner.

The video is great to watch if you find the time…taught me a lot I didn’t know and reaffirmed some that I thought I knew…lol
Long post but the more I share what I’m learning the better I am at explains things thoroughly for others to get it.

Hope this helps

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Just to reiterate the process of brewing is to give the critters time to multiply enough to make a bigger impact…more of them eating and pooping more food out for the plants etc…food chain.
By just tossing some of the mix on top of soil or quick mix into feed water won’t do much as no process brewing to give them time to multiply and that’s what this is all about a billion critters eating and pooping food for other things and ultimately the plants nutrients.

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What a great start to this thread.

Knowledge kicking back and forth from everyone. Love it

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I use a store bought super soil and mostly just teas that I brew from scratch. I do feed roots organics’ bottled calmag. I also pH my tap water even though I technically shouldn’t have to because there is lime in it. I use NFTG pH up and pH down.

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@Skydiver my tea had bubbles this time lol

I only needed 2 gallons. My ppm was only 318 is this strong enough? I used the roots organic grow tea and Molasses brewed for 30hrs. A couple pics of the 3 organic girls

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At 318 ppm I would just feed that straight up with no dilution and should be fine. If you ever want to increase the ending ppm just add more mix using the same amount of water. My tea mix is usually around 550-600 ppm but haven’t checked it in awhile and usually just brew and then will dilute 50/50. You could also instead of more mix just use the teas more often.

Your tea looks delicious and the plants look nice and healthy!

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What you are doing so far is all correct. Those are extremely healthy looking. Good start

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@Skydiver thanks for the help getting started the girls are getting big actually to big for the lil tent I have them in might have to put 2 in the 12/12 tent with the others I have in week 6 of flowering.

I have been brewing with the roots tea grow, molasses and liquid seaweed and between brews giving them ro water with molasses and seaweed. Couple of pics of the girls. In the cramped 2x2*4

Good deal!
Just know if you put them into 12/12 they will start transitioning to flower and if more than a week or two you’ll want to continue with flower or if you go back to veg that will slow things down as they revert back and takes time. If they are Autos…Nevermind lol

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Crazy update on my 1st try @Skydiver I thank you again this tea has these babies growing crazy I don’t have room for them waiting to harvest the big tent I have had to cut them down twice already cause they up in the light.

Question I only give them tea once a week and one of the pots are still heavy after a week only one is actually light like she needs to be feed the other feel like she could wait a couple days should I wait till they dry out like I do with synthetic or just get a schedule and feed them? And if I keep cutting the top down do you think I will over stress them? Thanks @QueenCityB @thatguy for all the help I can’t wait to get them more space.

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Great news on them growing so well!

I don’t use a watering schedule because different plants growth at different rates and therefore use moisture in soil at different rates. Water each one (within reason) as needed. As long as the dryer one isn’t showing signs of drooping you may be able to wait some. The thing you’ll want to do is pick up each pot to get a feel for weight as a whole and not just how dry the top inch is. There is moisture down lower but if you don’t have a long soil meter probe that can reach the lower portion to check moisture level/PH than go by how heavy they are.
I use this meter and it works great for me for checking moisture and PH…the one on far right


Using mulch and cover crop in my pots I can go 4-5 days with 5 & 7 gallon pots and up to 10 days or longer on my 45 gallon pots and that changes based on plant size etc.
Are the plants that your “topping” showing signs of heat stress from lights?
While they are in veg you can remove growth as needed as they are in the growth mode and will keep replacing it.

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@Skydiver the very top of the one directly under the light has light burn cause it is actually in the light but other than that one place they look really good! I was just worried something might be wrong 5 days and still heavy. I have about two more weeks before I harvest and can move them into a bigger space with better lighting can’t wait to see how they look. What is the name of the meter you use? And can I add mulch at any time?

Yep you can add straw or some other non dyed mulch anytime. Avoid cedar.

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And you can put a little diatomaceous earth on the top. That may help deter bad bugs from living in your soil. Bug prevention is important. I have learned the hard way. In the future, neem cake mixed in is another good ammendment to help deter bugs. It’s better to keep them away than react after they show up. Making bug prevention a part of your program is much easier and cheaper than getting rid of them later. Organic solutions are costly.
I agree with @Skydiver about weighing your plants. Just reach in and pick them up am inch or so daily. When they are light, they need water. For instance, in my flowering tent last light period, one plant got a gallon of strong nutrients, epsom salt, and ph water. One plant got half that. 4 others got 2 gallons split up with just salt and ph water. All my plants have different uptake levels for water and nutes.
The weight is the best way to water for me. Schedules dont work for me. The color is what tells me to add more or less nutes. It’s easier than you think. Just treat them like individuals, not a group. They will each love you more for doing so, at least they do for me, and because they do I’m all baked on Sativa and bursting with energy! Good luck.

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I’m going to look into a roots organic dry mix for bug prevention guess I been lucky so far and don’t want to push it after you giving me the advice thanks. Yea I’m trying to get better at treating them as individuals the thing is these were just tossed in a small tent as a side note trying to learn how to clone and use organics and we were suppose to buy a house when all this crazy stuff started so I was bout to setup a room for all this now I’m stuck between moving and just buying my new setup and putting up only to have to break it right back down when it’s time to move. Once I move them to the bigger tent I will give them the individual attention they all need!

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