Soil mixes that do not need anything but pH adj water,and that has all nutritional elements for veg, flower


#1

A customer has a question or concerns and I hope we can get some opinions on it, thanks.

Are there any soil mixes that do not need anything but pH adj water,and that has all nutritional elements for veg, flower. ? Frog comes to mind, as do others, but I cannot remember. Will be using cloth pots and a flower net over them. Done ProMix BX , straight hydro on slabs, with A+B for veg , and flower. Best yield Northern Lites. Mom’s toooo old. Getting an order soon. Setting up. And CLEANING!! How about it. Am 65, yrs, want to KISS (keep it simple stupid!) BSc getting female seeds first, WA Widow, and fruit mix. Then regarding seeds to mother out. Peace.


#3

Hopefully @garrigan65 will see this post he has a few great soil recipes
Thers also a thread i started a while back called best soil recipes for MJ maybe di a seach on the forum


#4

@Countryboyjvd1971

Sure do my friend and here is one of them:

Here are the amounts I have found that produce the best tasting buds and strongest medicines:
Amounts will very for your needs

8- Large bags of High quality Organic potting soil with a coco and Mycorrhizae
1- 25-50 pounds of Organic Worm castings
5 lb. Steamed Bone meal
5 lb. Bloom bat Guano
5 lb. Blood meal
3 lb. Rock Phoshate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ to 1 Cup cup Sweet Lime ( Dolimite)
½ Cup Azomite ( Trace Elements)
2 tbs. Powdered Humic Acid


#5

I knew I could count on you brother lol i have a recipe tou gave me a while back but could seem to post it ?? Thanks Brother


#6

@Countryboyjvd1971

Maybe this is it:

Another One Of My Suggestion:

Organic potting soil – any brand is fine but i can recommend “Happy Frog” as i have worked with this. If you can find a higher grade soil with coco in it this will be prefered. Your going to need anywhere from 8-10 bags of soil.

Worm Castings. a staple of any soil mix. very easy to produce and a great sustainable solution for food scraps in any household. Worms are your friends. Get as much worm casting as you can. Add anywhere from 5-10lb’s or so…or more!

3/4 cup Azomite for trace elements – not essential to the grow, but will set you apart.

Epson Salt – 1cup should surfice. Add more if deficiency occurrs in flower. i highly doubt it will but if it does, mix a diluted foliar feed.

Bone Meal – 3lbs blood meal

Dolomite Lime – 1 cup

Humic acids are highly recommended. Apply as recommended. usually a couple tablespoons.

Bat guano – 5lbs or so.

a couple 5 gal scoops of perlite.

Remember to let soil dry out prior to watering. Watering is key. A good rule of thumb is try to touch the plants less and keep notes of what you are doing. If you don’t know what you did to mess things up, how will you know how to fix it???

Sometimes I’ll only grow around 4 to 5 plants sometimes for personal use the soil mix that I use is this:
1 Big bag of Pro-Mix
And Black Cow Soil
2 4lb bags of worm casings
1 pound bone meal
1 pound blood meal
3 cups epson salts
2 cups of dolomite lime
2 bags of perlite
Water well, mix well, let sit for at least 90 days prior to using
This is an organic mix and I never have to add any ferts during growing. My biggest propblem is the the girls getting root bound getting big enough containers that will fit in my grow room

I’m getting ready to plant my first first indoor plants and i’m thinking of using an organic soil mix…I’ve been mixing my mix my own, usually just use a good soil mix like Pro-Mix or Roots Organic which is ready to use, but want to try to break it down a little bit for you.
Topsoil
Steer manure
Worm castings
Vermiculite
Perilite
Blood meal(or cave bat guano)
Bone meal(or seabird guano)
Kelp meal
Greensand(maybe?)
Dolomitic lime


#7

That looks like a winner hahahahh @garrigan65


#8

@Countryboyjvd1971
Why do you let your mix sit for 90 days? How often are you watering that mix? And that mix is for how many plants in what size bag?


#9

You want to let the fermentation process to start in the soil @Loneviking and the 90 days give all the microorganisms in the organics time to break it down to a more usable state for uptake
In fairness tho it was @garrigan65 who posted the soil recipe not my self bro so i will let gim take the lead on your questions


#10

@Loneviking

@Countryboyjvd1971 was completely correct., but it can be up to 60 days. I have the recipe that breaks the recipe down.


Now for the break out of this recipe for those that do not need a mix on this massive scale.

Subcool’s soil recipe broken down for the lazy folks

Full Recipe
8 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
25 to 50 lbs of organic worm castings
5 lbs steamed bone meal
5 lbs bloom bat guano
5 lbs blood meal
3 lbs rock phosphate
¾ cup Epson salts
½ cup sweet lime (dolomite)
½ cup azomite (trace elements)
2 tablespoons powdered humic acid

1/2 Recipe
4 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
12.5 to 25 lbs of organic worm castings
2.5lbs steamed bone meal
2.5lbs bloom bat guano
2.5lbs blood meal
1.5lbs rock phosphate
3/8 cup or 6 tablespoons Epsom Salts
1/4 cup or 4 tablespoon sweet lime (dolomite)
1/4 cup or 4 tablespoons azomite (trace elements)
1 tablespoon powdered humic acid

1/4 Recipe
2 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
6.25 to 12.5 lbs of organic worm castings
1.25lbs or 20 ounces steamed bone meal
1.25lbs or 20 ounces bloom bat guano
1.25lbs or 20 ounces blood meal
3/4 lbs rock phosphate
3/16 cup or 3 tablespoons Epsom Salts
1/8 cup or 2 tablespoons sweet lime (dolomite)
1/8 cup or 2 tablespoons azomite (trace elements)
1.5 teaspoons powdered humic acid

1/8 Recipe
1 large bags of a high-quality organic potting soil with coco fiber and mycorrhizae (i.e., your base soil)
3.125 to 6.25 lbs of organic worm castings
.625 lbs or 5/8 lbs or 10 ounces steamed bone meal
.625 lbs or 5/8 lbs or 10 ounces bloom bat guano
.625 lbs or 5/8 lbs or 10 ounces blood meal
3/8 lbs or 6 ounces rock phosphate
3/32 cup or 1.5 tablespoons Epsom Salts
1/16 cup or 1 tablespoon sweet lime (dolomite)
1/16 cup or 1 tablespoon azomite (trace elements)
3/4 teaspoon powdered humic acid

Hope this helps

Will


#11

Once agian thank you My friend


#12

@Countryboyjvd1971

Good morning. I’m rock’n out over in the Weedpatch this morning when I saw his post and thought it was time to break all these recipes down.

And @Sasquatch Just kills me some times he keeps me on mmy toes…lol

Will


#13

Hes a funny dude @garrigan65 im at work
Crusin forum in between dealing with the stupid at work hahaha
That video he post of the farmer yesterday had me cracking up
Talk soon bro


#14

That’s It! @garrigan65 Been wanting this broke down cause I’m freakin lazy!! hahhaha
How much does the full recipe make?
thx Will


#15

Hey @garrigan65 I have the same question. How many plants is the big recipe for I think the 1/8 recipe is figured for 3-7 gallon plants.


#16

Glad to see you recommend the Dolomite lime. It seems very few people use it, and it’s made my grows so much easier!

I didn’t realize people were adding humic prior to grow. In your experience, is that enough to carry you all the way through? I was just starting to play with humic and fulvic acids when I moved. Curious as to what information if any you could share on this?


#17

Oh jeez @dbrn32 you asked @garrigan65 fir info
You better strap in buddy
Lmfao


#18

Ya, I’m aware @Countryboyjvd1971 haha! On a general topic I would probably just go search the web. But for something specific like this that he has some knowledge on, I trust he’ll have sorted through most of the bs and pass along solid tried and true information. He has proven to be a really good resource for this type of stuff. So if he doesn’t mind taking the time, I trust and value his opinion.


#19

All good lol i asked him one time and was reading fir a week hahahaha
Hes a library or knowledge and you should pick his brain brother lol
I was just messing around
I know your a good researcher my friend @dbrn32


#20

I didn’t take it any other way, just wanted to convey that I appreciate how thorough he is. He won’t just leave me with it’s good or bad. I’m fine with that on a lot of things. But I know he’s the right person to ask why, when, and how much. Even if I’m reading for the next couple of weeks lol.


#21

@garrigan65
Thanks for the detailed recipes. Two questions though. Won’t below freezing temperatures stop the microbial activity? And what are you storing this mix in?