SCROG method Help

Hi fellow growers, I plan on growing in this tent with these DWC buckets as a whole system but I really want to use the SCROG method. I’m worried that the buckets are all to close together to do this, are they all to cramped up and to close together for a SCROG method to work?? Any help is much appreciated! Thanks and happy growing everyone. :v::sunglasses:

How would you change the water? I was gonna do a dwc grow, as a matter of fact, my journal says dwc but after weighing out my option, I am doing a rdwc and am loving it. You will have many challenges I think with dwc and that many buckets.

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@spyonyou As far as my current knowledge goes, I would drain all the water out with the pump and then refill it with buckets of filtered water using a reverse osmosis water filter to filter the water, then add all my nutrients. Does this sound like the easiest way to go about it if you have much knowledge on this man? :sweat_smile:

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DWC is just a bucket with air stones. In theory, it’ll work but it will be a lot of work to maintain every day.

I have two 20 gal totes for plants and a trash can for my res and a plant in each tote. All of that holds 25 gal of water total. They are about 7 weeks from dropping seeds in water and they are drinking about a gal and a half every 3 days.

Does each bucket have its own water pump and air pump?
What size buckets are those?

When you have a plants sitting on top of the buckets, you’ll have little room in the tent to work with. That tent will get packed before you know it. Scrogging I think, will have its own challenges. Between feeding every day and trimming, you will have your work cut out for you.
I’m not sure how you could scrog. Not sure how easy it would be to open the lid and get water in and out with a plant tied to the scrog.

If you can turn that into a rdwc, it will help save you a lot of work. How are you gonna keep you water temps down to 68 degrees.

I had to think about everything involved in caring for my girls and decided that rdwc just makes life so much easier.

Yes it cost a little more and is or can be a pain to set up, but, you would reap so many more benefits from doing so.
If you need help setting something like that up, let us know and we’ll guide you through it.
Good luck!:+1:t2::sunglasses:

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@spyonyou My bad man. it is a R-DWC system. I didn’t know the difference hence my lack of knowledge at this stage. These are the add ons I plan on buying for this kit as well. So do you think it would be best to not try the Scrog method in this grow tent? Also with low stress training is there opportunity for me to get buds as nice as you normally would when using Scrog. I’ve heard so many good things about using the SCROG method. :crossed_fingers:

@Myfriendis410 would you be able to ahead some light on this as all man? :grin::crossed_fingers:

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A couple of things:

First: I’d like to see more on the lights you will be using.

Second: Ditch the CO2: if you are pushing high nutrient load with HIGH intensity lights, like 1,500 µmols of the right photons and you have a closed loop environment with full controls then yes. If not, it’s a waste of time space and money.

Third: the SCROG is to both turn a round footprint into rectangular and to reduce overall height with a flat canopy. You have lots of room with the tent and extension.

Fourth: Good choice on the chiller, just make sure it’s designed for salt water aquariums.

Fifth: get a large reservoir and keep outside the tent.

Sixth: Before you pull the trigger on that; look at “Autopots”. There are several threads running them and my local grow friend @Not2SureYet is loving them. And he grows top tier flower.

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@Myfriendis410 I will be using the XL Kind 1000w grow light, thanks heaps for all your advice I will definitely use this knowledge well. For this system I want to buy, the buckets are 6.6 gallons each in size but I’m unsure of the reservoir size, but it would be an appropriate size for the buckets as it’s comes as a whole system. Also, so are there really no benefits of using Scrog then, apart from if you have a small space to work with? I ask as I have heard that it helps with getting all the leaves to absorb the light by speading out the plants? If I don’t need to use Scrog to maximise my yields and overall quality of them then that’s so good to hear as it will be a lot easier to work with, this is how the system looks with the reservoir :grin: !:sweat_smile::ok_hand::crossed_fingers:image|580x500

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@peachfuzz, would you like to weigh in on this system?

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I scrogg with awesome results…
As far as your system goes , I’m not a big fan of those systems , people tend to have a tuff time keeping every plant station in range and it’s a ton of stuff to have to clean when the run is done and theres way to many places for leaks to happen…
Plus I’m sure that it ain’t cheap…
And I’m no light expert , but I think you might need 4 of those lights for that space…
@dbrn32 would be the man to ask about lighting…
:v::sunglasses:

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I wouldn’t get hung up on bucket size either. I have 2 systems. One with 6.6 pots and the other 4.9. I wish both were 4.9. I have 2 pots using 3 gallon soft pots in them and they are doing great. Most of the roots seem to be directed down. Mine also use soil or coco in them. I am sold on them for sure. And feel scrogs are a great benefit if you have the room for them. I do miss the ability to move plants around with out the scrog some times.

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At least two, even by manufacturer claims. Unfortunately kind led not really any different than other blurple led manufacturers, stretching capability of their lights.

Chilled tech had integrated sphere report for k5
xl1000 on their website. It measured about 875 umols/s. In comparison, most of the horticulture turned 600 watt hps bulbs are about 1000 umols/s. So it’s not even equivalent to a 600 watt hps, let alone 1000 watt hps.

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@dbrn32 so do does that mean that a 600 watt hps grow light would grow weed better then the xl kind 1000w grow light? I’m really in need of a grow light that grows the absolute best yields, picture perfect buds and very big yields, where possible. This is all being taken into consideration of perfect environment and nutrients and all obviously. But would you know of such an amazing light that could do all of these things, maybe more? I really am going to and ready to go all out with this as it’s a passion of mine. That and I’ll also be spending basically twice as much as you guys in the US because my dollar here is worth almost half of yours. But it will be worth it to me. Hence why I’m really after the perfect items for my grows. Any help if extremely appreciated, thanks and happy days :grin::sunglasses::v::fire:

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I would hit up cutter electronics. He can get you setup with latest and greatest led tech without you having to leave the country. I would imagine that would be cheaper than dealing with international shipment?

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@dbrn32 I’m not really fused with the prices to get all the best equipment, as I can see myself using it all in the long run. Would you be able to tag him or is that a website man? Thanks for your on going help with this again man, legend :crossed_fingers::sunglasses:

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It’s an led company in Australia. He has a website, but it may be confusing for someone who doesn’t know exactly what they are looking for. I would maybe look them up and call.

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@dbrn32 hey man, what are your thoughts on the solar system 1100w grow light? It’s all good if you don’t know what light this one is you don’t have to worry but I just thought it would be worth while asking if you do. There definitely not cheap though. Lol. :grin::v:

It’s like 800 watt light at something like 2.2 umol/joule for about $1500 US?

@dbrn32 so you don’t think this light is good man? was reading up on a few things and at one point was reading something saying it’s 1500umols or something, and that it can replace a 1000w hps? I don’t fully understand umols and stuff. But from what I’ve read it come around to me as a good light. But for someone with better experience like yourself, do you think it would be worthwhile getting or do you think it’s another false advertised crappy light? :v:
@peachfuzz @Myfriendis410 any options on some proper high class lights that you guys know of or use :grin::sunglasses::v:

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Top of the line is still, in my opinion, Horticulture Lighting Group. They use current state of the art LED’s which are so far better than anything else that it’s a different category. If you read journals from growers on here you will see either HLG or custom on the same tech (like me).

50 watts of consumed electricity per square foot used to be the rule of thumb for having enough light. These run at more like 30 watts/sq. ft. Which isn’t even the correct way to measure efficacy.

Like @dbrn32 pointed out, Cutter is in Aus so more or less local? Or do you require more stealth? You could easily source the components you need to build your own gucci light: it isn’t hard. Cutter has the ‘sensitive’ stuff. In fact I bought my stuff through Cutter and I’m on the Left Coast of the USA.

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