Plants suffering, help needed!

[ginsha]

Hi guys!

First of all Thanks to You all for making growing possible for people without any previous knowledge, like me. I have been growing for 4 years now and so far I was able to sort out all the problems myself, till now…
I run four table perpetual ebb&flow in clay pebbles, harvest every 2 weeks. I use Canna Aqua nutrients along with H2O2. Strain - Critical Jack.
It all started about 2 months ago when I already have had two healthy and quite impressive harvests with this strain. At the time I introduced bottled CO2, which I ran ( still do ) at 1000-1200 ppm. Temperatures in flower room were increased from 26C to 30C, also more (100-200 ppm ) nutrients were added. For a couple of weeks everything went smoothly except res and root zone temps went up to 23-24C which I dealt with by insulating the reservoirs. Then this started to happen

Picture nr.1 table 2, week 3
2. table 3, week 5
3, 4, 5 table 4, week 7
At first I was sure it is a light burn / heat stress situation, so I lifted up the lights and brought the temps down to 26 again. RH is about 60% and air flow in the room is good, so it’s unlikely that this is an environmental issue.
It is not ph problem either, 5.7-5.8, ph meter calibrated and recalibrated.
It is not root problem as far as I can tell, roots look and smell very good.
I don’t think it could be nutrient burn, it went up to 1300ppm in table 2 for a while, but I brought it down to under 1000ppm as soon as I realized that lifting up lights doesn’t help.
It couldn’t be bad CO2 or something, cause it’s all good in veg room with the same ppm’s.
I clean and sterilize my clay pebbles before use with H2O2, maybe not enough?

It’s all very confusing, I’m trying everything I can think of, it doesn’t make any sense anymore…
This is fourth harvest I am about to lose and I’m running out of ideas, only two left;

1. about the same time I started to run CO2 I opened a new can of Canna Aqua Flores.Bought it from Max grow shop in Poland. It doesn’t seem likely but has anybody heard of fake Canna nutrients?
2. could it be some kind of infection or disease? I can not find anything that matches these symptoms.

It’s a terrible, terrible feeling to watch those plants suffering and not being able to help for months. Any ideas guys?

[PharmerBob]

Flush the nutrients and water from that table and get it back to below 100 ppms for that system. Once your able to pull all the salts out of it you’ll be able to replace those nutrients and reset to a normal ppm between 800-1000

The browning from tip of leaf to the stem shows signs that it’s nutrient locked.

I haven’t raised nutrients while doing co2, I’ll maintain the same scale which I’ve used on those plants before, they will just take more of it faster.

Once you get a good flush remove the affected leaves. This will give you an idea if the treatment was effective

[Myfriendis410]

@ginsha

1300ppm

You have nutrient burn. It doesn’t take long in hydro to kill a plant. 1,300 ppm would nuke mine. If you had higher temps with high intensity lights that will increase nutrient uptake and also cause nute burn. If your VPD had been outside nominal and you suddenly hit peak, you can also get nute burn.

I might get up to 1,050 ppm in GH during peak flower but most of the time I’m at 800 to 900 ppm.

What nutrient program are you using?
What lights are you running?
What is your rez temp?
How often do you do rez change?
Are you running Hydroguard or something like it?
Light schedule?

It is 100% nutrient burn.

[PharmerBob]

@Myfriendis410 recommended treatment?

[Myfriendis410]

Exactly what you described: I didn’t need to recommend anything because you did a great job.

[ginsha]

Thanks for response!
Yes, that’s what did a few times. Also now I am running it under 1000 ppm, It hit 1300ppm’s 2 months ago, when it all started. Since then I’ve put in 3 new batches under 1000ppm, but the problem is still there, it shows up in week 2. However, maybe you are right and I should decrease ppm to 700-800ppm? Without CO2 I ran around 1000ppm

[PharmerBob]

Awe @Myfriendis410 thank you

[ginsha]

thanks for response!
I use Canna Aqua Flores in flower
I run 2 250w Leds on each table (100 * 120 cm)
res temp 19-20C
I don’t normally change res during flower, only when there are problems. I have 400L res and before shit hit the fan I did well without changing it, just topping.
I add H2O2 every 5 days or so, served me well for 4 years
Lights go 12/12
so… could it be that i need less nutrients with co2?

[Myfriendis410]

@ginsha

less nutrients with co2

A closed loop system with the correct lighting should require more nutrients.

[ginsha]

Yes, that’s how I understand it. In the pic nr 1 plants are in the week 3 of 12/12. They have never seen more then 900 ppm.

[ginsha]

Thank you both a lot for your input. There are a few contradictions in my mind but I will follow your advice. At least there’s some hope.
love

[ginsha]

Hi guy’s!

It’s been 3 months since the problem started, and it is still going on.

Plants are fine in veg and up to first 10 days in 12/12. When flowering starts, roots stop growing, top leaves start to yellow then die, bottom leaves start to get brown/grey and dry and canoeing up and down and die, all kinds of trouble.

It is not nutrient burn, as I now keep them under 900ppm ( Canna Aqua Flores)
It is not light burn or heat burn ( I keep the ambient temps under 80F, humidity - 50-65%
I have been experimenting with flood cycles, from 2 to 7 per day, no difference
Nutrient solution temps are 65-70F, and it has aeration
Roots smell and look good, they just stop growing
Here are the pics

First 2 harvests were really good and it is still all good in veg room
Could I have damaged motherplant’s genetics by flushing with h2o2 for too long?

Has anyone seen anything like this?

[ginsha]

Hi guy’s!

It’s been 3 months since the problem started, and it is still going on.

Any other ideas?

[kjp]

I had some small plants do that and actually I gave to much water don’t no not there but always moist soil will do fuunnythings

[ginsha]

Thanks mate, I’ve tried that. I tried everything.

[ginsha]

For everybody having a similar situation, root aphids was the problem. That explains everything. They are hard to spot, and apparently nightmare to get rid of. I’ll keep you posted

[Peaches2019]

HI, CAN YOU HELP ME? THIS IS WHAT IS HAPPENING TO MY PLANTS!(2)|633x500]

[MidwestGuy]

Looks like nute burn. Can you please fill out a support ticket and focus on telling us about your grow medium and your feeding habits? A picture of the whole plant will be helpful too.

Can you please fill out a support ticket? Please include what type of water you are using.
COPY/PASTE the below list into your forum post.

Answer these simple questions the best you can.

If you do not know, or do not use something; Just say so; Or post

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• What strain, Seed bank, or bag seed

• Method: Soil w/salt, Organic soil, Hydroponics, Aquaponics, KNF

• Vessels: Pots, Grow beds, Buckets, Troths

• PH of Water, Solution, runoff (if Applicable)

• PPM/TDS or EC of nutrient solution if applicable

• Indoor or Outdoor

• Light system

• Temps; Day, Night

• Humidity; Day, Night

• Ventilation system; Yes, No, Size

• AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier,

• Co2; Yes, No

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