Plant showing severe damage/change/stress

(before transplant) My plant was doing well in a 5 gal and i transplanted to a bigger planter because i thought it would do it some justice. My first grow. Dont know genetics. Its a seed from some alcapco gold… Temps are 110 to 120 farenheit in the day and the 90s farenheit at night. I feed b1 vitamins every time they go dry which is every few days. I just recently stumbled upon this forum and such so i am reading roberts grow bible. Dont know the ph or any such thing in that nature… I am learning as i go trial n error. Was doing great before transplant to big pot… I have a bug infestation in the soil… Starting to get bad… From some organic soil i had used for my african tortoise. Supposedly organic and pet friendly… The bugs also spawned in his tank… Kellogs brand. Organic pretty much can be used for anything. Dont know ph. . bugs seem to live through dry or soaking soil… They are like flys but in the soil… Any advice appreciated

After transplant

That’s a new one on me ! I don’t know if you’re going to be able to grow at that temperature ?

I’m curious where on earth besides Death Valley area in California does it hit 120f ?!
-thanks

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Don’t think your plant was big enough to transplant, 5 Gal is a large pot and should do you for a couple months if your an outdoors grower.
120f? Would be tough work just living at those temps, let alone growing cannabis, good luck is all I can say
And Ive never had a soil-bug problem only leaf problems. From memory they might be gnats or maybe root aphids but i don’t really have much of a clue thats just a guess

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Az is 120 all summer long lol

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As for bug problem, DE (Diatamacious earth) will help to eradicate them little bastards, and as to what they could be fungus gnats, they live and thrive on moist environments

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Ok thank you. Since those bastards spawn I am starting to get little red mites too

Little red mites are spider mites, ill post a link to get rid of them to

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Yeah I had made the mistake of transplanting… It was before I stumbled upon this forum and Roberts grow bible, this is my first grow. Out door

Thank you I check everyday and noticed lil webbing with a red spider with white sack

Spider Mites and Cannabis
Spider mites have tiny sharp mouths that pierce individual plant cells and suck out the contents. This is what results in the tiny yellow, orange or white speckles you see on your plant leaves.

This cannabis leaf shows the first signs of spider mites - click for a closer look!

Spider mites are common cannabis pests, especially when growing in soil. Although less common in hydroponics, spider mites can show up in any setup where cannabis is being cultivated!

Villains! Extreme Close-Up of Two-Spotted Spider Mites with Egg

Extreme close up of the two-spotted spider mite - Tetranychus urticae - a marijuana grower’s worst garden pest

Spider mites can be an especially tricky pest in the grow room. Since they are so small they can build up a big infestation before a grower even notices a single mite.

Many growers see the distinctive tiny spots of a spider mite infestation and think it’s some sort of nutrient deficiency, not realizing it’s actually something far more sinister.

Close-up of spider mite bites on a marijuana leaf

Spider mites and their eggs, found on the back of cannabis leaves

Spider mites and their eggs underneath the leaf of a cannabis plant - get rid of these pests quick!

Example of spider mites and their eggs on the back of a cannabis leaf

If the infestation goes on too long, you’ll start to see webbing on your plants and buds

Example of webbing on a cannabis bud caused by spider mites

Spidermite webbing on a marijuana bud

Spider mites are despised by growers. Here’s why…

Rapid reproduction - a single mature female spider mite can produce a million mites in less than a month
Disappearing act - spider mites often appear to be gone/killed, then they come back with a vengeance days or weeks later, right when you thought you’d gotten rid of them for good.
Big appetites - spider mites can eat up your tender plants in an amazingly short amount of time; a bad infestation has been known to kill plants overnight
Webbing - spider mites cover leaves and buds with a fine mesh of silk webbing, ruining whole crops even after you get rid of the spider mites
Zombie-like resistance - spider mites quickly become immune to whatever you do to try to kill them; if you don’t take care of your spider mite problem by eradicating them completely from your grow room, you may soon find you have a population of ‘Super-mites’. The two-spotted spider mite which specializes in cannabis seems to be particularly resistant to insecticides, and is sometimes referred to as “the borg” in the cannabis growing community. These ‘borg’ spider mites with two spots on their back can be almost impossible to get rid of! Read one grower’s journey to get rid of the “borg” spider mites in his grow room.
Spider mites often go unnoticed at first because they are so tiny that they look like spots to the naked eye. Male spider mites are about 1/50th of an inch long (.5mm) while females are slightly smaller at about 1/64" (.4mm). It’s hard to imagine something that tiny, but the picture below might help give you an idea of how small they are:

Spider mites: like tiny inconsiderate ninjas

Under a microscope you can see they have four pairs of legs, no antennae and a body shaped like an oval.

A close-up of the dastardly so-and-so!
Image courtesy of University of Florida Entomology & Nematology Dept.

When spider mites attack a particular spot and you see lots of speckles near each other, the leaves may start looking yellow or bronzed. Badly attacked leaves often die prematurely.

Although it starts with speckles, this pest has certainly earned the “spider” part of its name from the distinctive silk webbing they spin on vegetation, leaves and flowers once an infestation really sets in. Web-producing spider mites may completely coat the foliage and flowers with the fine silk, which collects dust and looks dirty.

Spider mite webbing on a marijuana leaf - notice the bronze cast to the leaf - it’s dying from all the tiny spider mite bites

With flowering plants, you may even see entire buds get covered in fine webbing from a bad spider mite infestation.

A marijuana bud covered in webbing from spider mites

Spider mites have a life cycle that helps them re-populate quickly and effectively after much of their population has been destroyed.

Adult females begin the cycle by laying eggs, often on their host plants. In days or weeks an egg will hatch and become a larva, which is the first stage of life. Larvae are round bodied and have only three pairs of legs. The larvae feed for a few days, seek a sheltered spot to rest and then molt into the first nymphal stage. The first nymph now has four pairs of legs.

The first nymphs feed a few days, rest and molt into the second nymph. The second nymphs feed, rest and molt into the adult stage. Overall, it can take days or weeks for spider mites to go through their whole life cycle.

Here are adult spider mites with eggs
Adult female two-spotted spider mites with eggs and webbing
Image courtesy of Natalie Hummel, Louisiana State University AgCenter, Bugwood.org

Because of this variable growth process, it’s common to think that you’ve eradicated the spider mites in your grow room while they’re secretly building up numbers in one of their immature stages.

This is why it’s so important to keep treating your grow room after a spider mite infestation even if it appears that all the spider mites are gone. Just pretend they’re hiding and doing pushups, just building up their numbers for a second infestation. Treat your grow room like a war zone, and don’t allow the spider mites to build up any numbers and attack again!

Growers Need to Take Spider Mites Seriously… Or This Can Happen!

Extreme spider mite damage - marijuana colas are literally covered in spider mite webs

Solution: Early detection of spider mites is key!

Spider mites are tiny and can be detected only by a full and thorough leaf inspection (on both sides of the leaf). If you find Spider Mites or eggs you must act fast and hit them hard.

Spider mites can be very quick to take over your plant, and even quicker to develop a resistance to almost any method you use to get rid of them, which is why it’s generally recommended to use multiple methods of offense against a spider mite infestation.

If you have problems with spider mites, keep a constant and varied offense for the best chance at success.

It can help to identify how/where you got spider mites

A lone spider mite watching over some of her future friends

If you already have an infestation, you will immediately want to start hitting them hard with something that will kill them on contact (several options are listed below). But…

First, what type of spider mite do you have?

Tracked in from outside
Vegetable garden
Animals/pets
From a plant besides marijuana
If you have some spider mites which got tracked in randomly from outside, it’s likely you’ve got a run-of-the-mill spider mite that should be easy to get rid of.

Although these guys are annoying as well, they almost seem nice compared to their cannabis-specialized counterparts.

Chances are you’ll be able to successfully use one of the less harsh home remedies to stop your infestation.

From another marijuana garden
Clones were infested with spider mites
Tracked spider mites in from another marijuana garden
Any time the spider mites were living on another marijuana plant before they got to your plants
If you got your spider mites from a cannabis clone or plant from another cannabis grower, chances are you’ve got the type of spider mite that is an expert at infesting cannabis plants.

The (often two-spotted) mites often seem to be the worst spider mite in this category!

These specialized spider mites are incredibly developed at living on marijuana plants, and may already be immune to many common spider mite remedies.

If you believe you got your spider mites from another marijuana grower, then don’t play games. Get serious and get rid of your mites NOW, before they adapt to your grow room and become unstoppable.

How To Get Rid of a Spider Mite Infestation

Step 1: Kill Them!

Step 2: Follow Up Again in 2-3 Days

Step 3: Repeat if Necessary

Step 4: Protect Your Plants

Step 1: Kill Every Spider Mite You Can

Shake the plant, then kill the spider mites with something that kills them on contact, like…

Proven Spider Mite Remedies
(from serious chemical pesticides to organic repellents to home remedies)

Azamax is a time-tested way to rid your grow room of spider mites. Spray plants 15 minutes before lights out, making sure to drench the foliage under the leaves as well as the top of your soil. You may want to use a spray bottle or mister. Use a fan to blow on your leaves to help things dry. Treat your room more than once, even if you believe the spider mites are gone. You can also add small amounts of Azamax when watering your plants, as it will not hurt your roots but will kill spider mites in the soil.

Azamax is a time-tested way of killing marijuana spider mites

Mighty Wash - use in a similar way to Azamax. You may want to use a spray bottle or mister.

Mighty Wash kills marijuana spider mites

Spinosad Products (safe & organic) - Spinosad products are organic and unlike many other spider mite pesticides, completely harmless to pets, children, and plants. Unlike many insecticides, you can spray spinosad heavily on leaves and roots with basically no negative effects. Spinosad products can be used directly to kill spider mites on contact, but can also be used when watering plants to systematically kill spider mites via the roots. Spinosad can also be effective at fighting caterpillars, thrips, and many other marijuana pests.

Can be used both as a topical spray like Azamax and Mighty Wash, and can also be used directly at the roots. Spinosad is an organic insecticide made from the fermentation of a specific soil bacteria (actinomycete Saccharopolyspora spinosa) and kills spider mites via ingestion or contact by effecting the insect’s nervous system. Spinosad can be a good choice for organic and outdoor growers, because it is very toxic to spider mites, but is less toxic to many beneficial arthropods.

Note: Most spinosad products are effective for only about 24 hours after being mixed with water, so only mix as much as you will need per application. Anything left over will be waste. You will want to use a spray bottle or mister.

Recommended: Monterey Garden Insect Spray with Spinosad
Spinosad products are organic and kill spider mites, caterpillers and thrips

Doktor Doom Spider Mite Knockout Spray - This spray is hard on spider mites, but the main ingredient Pyrethrum can also be hard on plants, especially in tight spaces without much ventilation, so keep it as a last resort if possible. Use with extreme care around humans as the ingredients can be toxic. Never use Pyrethrum-based products on your plants while your grow lights are on as it can burn your plants. Avoid using Pyrethrum products on young or sensitive plants as they can get burned even when the lights are left off.

Do cover your grow lights and vents when bombing your plants with Pyrethrum and make sure you give the area at least 24 hours to air out before you try to breathe the air. This spray can work well for a couple of plants, but you’ll want a Pyrethrum fogger if you have a lot of plants to treat. Outdoors, Pyrethrum can kill beneficial insects too, so keep that in mind if you’re using natural predators to control pests (like ladybugs). All that being said, this spray will work to get rid of most spider mites, and it kills them on contact. Pyrethrum kills spider mites but not their eggs, so this product usually needs to be used 2-4 times (once every 2-3 days) to stop the breeding cycle and get rid of the toughest infestations.

No-Pest Strips kill marijuana spider mites

NoPest Strips - these emit a vapor that kills spider mites, but do NOT use these if you will be breathing air from your grow room as the vapor they give off is toxic to humans and other mammals. These are only suitable if you’re growing somewhere that is NOT your living space, but can be an effective way to get rid of spider mites.

No-Pest Strips kill marijuana spider mites

Floramite - Strong stuff with harsh chemicals, incredibly expensive, but it can often do the job when everything else fails. Use as directed and only as a last resort!

Floramite Kills Marijuana Spider Mites, but it’s expensive and potentially dangerous! Use only as a last resort!

Bleach solution (1 tablespoon of bleach to 1 gallon of 95°F, pH balanced, water in a spray bottle or mister) - make sure to clean all surfaces of your room, and bleach them too if possible.

Alcohol and Water mixed together will also kill the bugs on contact and shouldn’t hurt the plant as long as the solution contains at least 40% water. You will want to use a spray bottle or mister.

SM-90 mixed with water (1 part SM-90 to 5 parts water) kills spider mites on contact and is organic (it even smells good!). You will need a mister to get nice even coverage on all the leaves with SM-90.

Nutrilife SM-90 kills spider mites

Neem Oil works in a similar way to SM-90, though Neem oil doesn’t smell as nice and will leave an unpleasant taste/smell on buds when used to treat flowering plants. There’s some evidence Neem oil may be harmful to humans so use with care! Just as with SM-90, you will need a mister to get all the leaves evenly, especially since neem oil and water will separate easily.

Insect predators - there are also insect predators such as lady bugs and predatory mites that can provide some control and reduce your spider mite numbers, but it is unlikely these will get rid of your spider mites on their own. Insect predators can be effective if you have a small problem or if you need to get to harvest and chemical sprays are not a good option.

Diatomaceous Earth - Basically, this is fossil dust - sprinkle on the top of your soil, and anywhere else in your room (window sills, doorways, etc). This powder-like substance is harmless to mammals and plants, but is incredibly sharp at the microscopic level. Therefore it will tear and dehydrate spider mites on physical contact. This will not get rid of an infestation, but can help control and slow things down when used effectively.

Treat Entire Grow Area With Insecticide - Treat complete room with broad spectrum insecticide (only do this for a really bad problem, or one that keeps coming back) - avoid this if you can!

Note: Many growers try to avoid chemical sprays or miticides which contain Abamectin or lindane because these are harmful to humans. Please take a look at anything you use to treat your grow room, follow the directions closely, and heed all warnings. Some treatments will work for some setups or types of mites, but not for others. As mentioned earlier, if you got your spider mites from another marijuana grower, chances are you may need to resort to extreme measures to get rid of your infestation.

Step 2: Follow up in 2-3 days with a different method to kill them (you should also re-apply your first method)

Follow up in 2-3 days with something different that will also kill their eggs and any surviving adults. The adults at this point will already be more resistant to your original method so you’ll get the best results using something else for the second treatment.

Step 3: Repeat Step 1 & 2 at least one more time - always treat grow area at least once after you think spider mites are completely gone

Repeat steps 1 & 2 at least one more time to ensure that you have really cleaned out your grow room. Some species of spider mite can take days or weeks to mature and will reappear in the grow room stronger than ever. Because of this, you should treat your area at least once after you are almost certain all the spider mites are gone.

Using a mix of several different methods seems to work best for getting rid of spider mites. Some spider mites are more resistant to some methods than others.

If you can see spider mites with your eyes, it means you probably have millions in the room waiting to hatch.

Step 4: Prevention: thoroughly inspect and proof your grow area against future attacks

Once spider mites are gone, you need to worry about prevention.

With spider mites, the best offense is a good defense! Stop spider mites from ever getting hold of your grow room with good prevention…

Indoor Spider Mite Prevention

The best spider mite remedy is prevention!

If you’ve had spider mite attack your grow room in the past, you might be unintentionally doing something to encourage or attract them.

There are many preventative products such as sprays or SM-90 which make plants less tasty to annoying spider mites. However, these should only be used as a supplement to good gardening practices.

The most important aspect of spider mite (or any marijuana pest) prevention when growing indoors is a clean and secure grow room.

They’re hard to see, but there are definitely spider mites on this leaf!Never Bring Spider Mites into Your Grow Room!

Many indoor growers get spider mites from bringing in cannabis clones that are infected, or from visiting another grower or grow room with spider mites. Even just a few eggs on a clone or a few spider mites on your clothes is all it takes to start a full fledged infestation. This is the most common way people get spider mites, especially the marijuana-specialist spider mites (“the borg”) which can be almost impossible to kill!

Most importantly, never move plants or clones from the outside world into your grow room without treating and quarantining them. If you get a new plant, keep that plant away from your other plants until you know that it’s clean.

For every new plant or clone:

Get a handheld microscope and use it to look for bugs on new plants. Check closely for tiny spots on the leaves which could be spider mite bites. Also check for eggs and tiny bugs underneath the leaves. It’s easiest to find bugs when the plant is at its smallest.
Dip new clones or small plants in room temperature water treated with Safer Soap, Mighty Wash or SM-90. If you can’t dip the plant, spray with a proven spider mite cure.
Keep new plants in quarantine for at least a week and check regularly to ensure they have no bugs before you bring them around your other plants.
Never go directly into the grow room from outdoors to avoid tracking in bugs. If you’ve visited another grower or grow room, it’s especially important to change your clothes and possibly shower before going to check on your plants. You don’t want to infect your plants with spider mites that are cannabis specialists!
One of the cool things about growing with seeds is you never have to worry that they come with bugs!

Keep a Clean Grow Space

Try to keep everything clean and tidy. Not only does this help prevent bugs but it protects buds so they don’t have fibers and dust all over them!

Collect any dead leaves or other plant matter regularly and remove them from your growing space. It doesn’t count if you put them in a neat pile or trash can in the corner, you need to keep dead plant matter out of your grow room.
Make sure that you or anyone who comes into your contact space is clean (don’t let anyone walk into your grow room directly from outside). Be especially cautious if the person has recently visited another grow space.
No dogs, cats, rabbits or any other pets in your grow space. In addition to shedding and possibly bringing in bugs, some cats will happily chew on your leaves and buds, so double reason not to let them anywhere near your plants!
Wipe up and sterilize everything in between grows.
Maintain a Great Growing Environment

Spider mites do better in some environments than others. Luckily the conditions that make your plants happy are not that great for spider mites. So if you’re taking care of your plant’s environment, you’re also helping to prevent bugs and mold.

Make sure you have great airflow in your room because spider mites thrive in stagnant air. Creating lots of air movement will not only help prevent spider mites, fungus gnats and mold, but your plants love it too!
Spider mites like hot, dry weather. Maintaining a comfortable room temperature and a moderate amount of humidity in the grow room will help prevent or slow down a spider mite infestation.
If you have an air intake from outside, make sure you have some sort of filter to keep bugs from getting in
Sprinkle Diatomaceous Earth on top of your soil and all around your grow room - this all-natural remedy is safe for humans (we can even eat it), and works because it is very jagged on the microscopic level. Tiny spider mites get ripped apart by diatomaceous earth while plants grow through it happily
Keep a close watch on your plants, and react quickly at the FIRST site of spider mites!!!

If you’re growing just a small amount of marijuana for personal use and are really worried about spider mites, you might consider starting with seeds instead of clones. That way you don’t have to worry about accidentally getting cannabis zombie mites when starting from seed (plus you can choose to grow any strain you want!). Another way to help prevent some pests is to grow hydroponically, since spider mites and most pests are much less likely to thrive in a soilless environment!

Outdoor Spider Mite Prevention

If you have a spider mite problem outdoors, you will want to…

Don’t Bring Infected Plants Into Your Garden

For every new cannabis plant or clone:

Use a handheld microscope to look for bugs on any new plants. Check closely for tiny spots on the leaves which could be spider mite bites. Also check for eggs and tiny bugs underneath the leaves.
Dip new clones or small plants in room temperature water treated with Safer Soap, Mighty Wash or SM-90. If you can’t dip the plant, spray with a proven spider mite cure.
Keep new plants in quarantine for at least a week and check regularly to ensure they have no bugs before you bring them around your other plants.
If you’ve visited another cannabis grower, grow room or outdoor garden, it’s especially important to change your clothes and possibly shower before checking on your plants. You don’t want to infect your plants with spider mites that are already specialized in infecting cannabis plants!​
Don’t Kill Beneficial Insects

A healthy population of predatory insects like lady bugs will help kill off pests including spider mites. The “Western Predatory Mite” is another great defense against spider mites since they specialize in killing mites.
Only use pesticides if you actually need them and avoid using broad-spectrum pesticides that kill lots of bugs indiscriminately. Instead, try to use narrow-spectrum pesticides that are meant to kill just the bugs you’re trying to get rid of. So for example if you have caterpillars, use something that mostly kills just caterpillars (like BT Spray which pretty much only kills things like caterpillars and fungus gnats) instead of using a pesticide that kills all kinds of bugs including caterpillars. It will not only work better to get rid of the specific pest you’re having trouble with, but it also prevents you from possibly killing some predatory insects that may be protecting your garden.
Don’t Kill Lady Bug Babies! These Are Beneficial to Your Garden!

Don’t kill the pupa and larva of ladybugs!

They Look Gross But They’re Already Eating Bad Bugs!

Give Your Plants a Great Growing Environment

Make sure you have proper ground cover (cover your soil with a soil cover, weed barrier fabric, Diatomaceous Earth, or some other barrier). Basically, you want to prevent anything from being able to live or grow in the soil near your plants
Make sure your plants are growing in a breezy area that doesn’t get too hot - spider mites love hot weather and stagnant air. In addition to attracting pests, stagnant air can also trigger different types of mold, especially in the flowering stage!
Keep a close watch on your plants, and react quickly at the FIRST site of spider mites!!!

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Wow ! …I did not know that I know it’s spikes to 120 but I didn’t know it was that intense for that long ?! I’m kinda surprised anything grows except :cactus: ?!

When people say “yeah but it’s a dry heat” it must piss you off to no end ? :sunny:

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It’s not bad it doesn’t bother me any more when I moved from Montana that heat killed me lol i could barely go outside

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Thanks majictoker. can you please provide pictures for us? I have that issue going on with my two outdoor girls. We originally thought it was too much water with leaf discoloration and all but with further investigation. BAM…a bunch of those little bastards.
In the last four days dr earth’s organic was used, we shall see.
I will give them three more days or so and apply the Monterey with (spinosad) style KILLER!!!

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Pictures of the bugs or the products to use

have the product, pics will help and thanks. sprayed them down two days ago but…
one more application of the Monterey tomorrow

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Sounds like fungus gnats to me. When you water do they come up and cover the surface?

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have some gnats, not too many…washed down with Monterey this am…

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no they don’t, luckily I guess…thanks for the tip

I used the diatomaceous earth and i think i got rid of them… Plant looking better too since the treatment. And yeah they would surface when wet, but if u checked while dry they were still on the top soil just lightly under

Yes sounds like fungus gnats

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