Is this over watering? Please help!

[middlecoast]

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Strain; Type, Bag seed, ILGM… name of strain: White Widow Feminized

Age from Sprout: 16 days

Soil in pots, Hydroponic, or Coco / Brand and type of Soil & Size of Pots: 50/50 mix of Coco and FF Ocean Forest

How often do you water and how do you determine when to do so? Typically once a day or every other. I thought i was overwatering a few days ago and so let the girls site for a few days but didn’t see what expected and so went back to a light water schedule. Been switching between water and nutrients but have only watered with nutrients 3 times in the 16 days.

PH of water and runoff or solution in reservoir: 6.3-6.5

What is strength of nutrient mix? EC, or TDS: Using FF Big Bloom at 50%

Indoor or Outdoor: Indoor

Light system, size and height from plants: 480W DIY LED. Dimmed to 300W roughly 20" from plant. Measured about 25K lx

Temps; Day, Night: 80F, 72F

Humidity; Day, Night: 35%, 40%

Ventilation system; Yes, No, Size: Yes, 6in

AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier: just added humidifier yesterday

Co2; Yes, No: No

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So my plants seemed to be doing well up until about 9/10 and then I noticed my leaves just drop. At first I thought this was due to overwatering so i relaxed for a few days but didn’t see much. Here’s a timelapse so you can see what I saw.
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=cxBI0kUBLJg

Here’s what the plants look like today from the side and top.

plant 1

plant 2

[Niala]

First, your plant is still in seedling / sprouting stage, I will suggest to put her in a seedling / sprouting friendly medium. FFOF can be too “hot” for this stage. Or stop give her nutrients.

Second, “droopy” looking is cause by : overwatering, underwatering, too much nutrients, light too close,… Personnaly, I think your light is too close… Try to raise your light at 26+ inch and see what happen…

RH is low too, try to make it at 50-60%

Hoping that’s helping you @middlecoast,

~Al

[rodri59]

To my novice eyes this sure looks like over watering in the first cpl of pics. I only foliar spray my babies until they have a few more leaves and then its usually only a cpl times a week.

And stop the nutes, they don’t need them at this stage. FFOF is a very hot soil. I didn’t use any nutes on my girls (also in FFOF) until they were about 6 weeks old and then it was just at 1/4 strength. Still got slight nute burn.

Best of luck on your girl!!!

[middlecoast]

Thanks. Would you suggest a fresh water flush or just let things work themselves out over time? Also in regards to the height, i’m assuming you mean to change the height of my lights based on how much power i’m putting out. Instead of messing with the height I was thinking of just dropping the LED down to 200W.

In regards to the humidity, i’ve got my humidifier running full blast and its only getting up to like 45%. Any suggestions?

[Tr33]

It seems like an awful lot of watering for 16 day old plants. If you have a fine mist spray bottle, maybe you can spray the air around your plants to raise humidity up a little. When you water them, how much water do you give at one time? How much of that runs out of the bottom?

[Niala]

@middlecoast ,You’re welcome

Just let things work themselves out over time, at this stage they are still a bit fragile and doing a flush will only put more stress on it…

For “dimming” to 200 W, it may work, you’ll see if it’s working after a day or two… Otherwise, put more distance between the canopy and your light.

And yes, I have a suggestion to help your humidifier, just put a couple of container or bowls with warm water in them in your grow area, (room, tent, etc.,) , it should help, otherwise @Countryboyjvd1971 may have some few more suggestion …

Hope that’s respond to your questions and helping

~Al

[rodri59]

I had an issue with low humidity for a while. I tried the bowls of water thing and really didn’t help. What did help was the wicking method; use the bowls of water (warm or cold) and place the tail of a towel into the water, hang the towel near the water bowl (so the tail doesn’t come out of the water)

This method raised my humidity about 5%. Also lowering the intensity of your light might give you a few more points on humidity. Also foliar spraying does help too.

[middlecoast]

When I water I pour along the sides until I get a lil coming from the bottom. I messed with just giving it a lil water at the surface but wasn’t sure if it was getting enough and think I may have gone a bit in the opposite direction.

[middlecoast]

Ya i’ve tried that also and didn’t see much improvement which is why I bought a humidifier.

[Tr33]

http://www.ilovegrowingmarijuana.com/watering-marijuana-grown-in-soil/ Read over Roberts advice on watering.
When they are young, they need only a little water, and water out from the base of the plant inn a circle to get the roots reaching out from the plant…if you read the article on watering you will likely understand better than I can explain.
Only giving them a little water often, is not the best plan. Water right, then wait until the soil dries the right amount before watering again.
If you only water along the sides, your plants might actually not be getting any water. They have little root systems at two weeks. I hope the article helps.

[middlecoast]

Thanks. I feel like every other day I’m finding a new article or forum post. Appreciate the help.

[bob31]

I think you have a couple of things going on. One if them is that you’re ready for transplant to a much larger pot. Preferably a 5 gallon size.

If you’re using ffof you are good for now on nutrients.

Check that the pH of your water is 6.5 as that is the happy spot in ffof. Also make sure to let that water set out open for 24 hours to be sure that the chloramin can evaporate if you are on municipal water.

I had a very similar. situation with another grower and the bigger pot the plant took off with new growth after a few days and stopped drooping almost immediately!

[Niala]

Great call @bob31

[middlecoast]

@bob31 great call man. I had no idea how much root I had cause I just poked holes in a plastic cup and the roots couldn’t get through.

And now in their new home.

[SmoknGranny]

It’s through others experience and mistakes that we learn. We have a great bunch of people here that are wonderful with helping and sharing

[Countryboyjvd1971]

@middlecoast I think @bob31 was on point in that they needed more leg room. I personally start feeding as soon as the round feeder leaves fall turn yellow and fall off
So in a few days you’ll see them recover they will build more roots the first couple days appear the be doing nothing at first FYI

[bob31]

@middlecoast yes she was getting pretty root bound. Do you have any growth stimulating hormones to give her? Transplanting can be a bit of a shock. I give mine super thrive. Anyway she will perk up quickly either way!

[DieHigh55]

Curious…why would you make a 50/50 mix of soil, which doesn’t like too much water or nutes, with coco, which needs almost a daily watering and feeding? Seems like you you got yourself into a mess. Coco needs around pH5.8 and soil pH6.5, besides the watering issue, two very different mediums. Any chance of transplanting your girls into one medium or the other? Perlite or crushed up stirofoam can solve drainage problems in soil if that’s your concern.

[middlecoast]

I actually didn’t have anything just went straight into ffof. I’ll have to order some for my next grow.

[bob31]

That’s ok, she will do fine.