Drooppy leaves and clawed tips

What is the strain and type(unknown bag seed, strain name, regular seeds, feminized seeds, auto-flower, etc)? Blackberry Kush; Chocolope

Indoor or Outdoor? indoor

in ground or in a container? fabric 5 gallon

Size of space (max height and area, length/width)?24sq ft 8ft high ceiling

Soil or Hydro? Type of Medium used? System type? FFOF

pH? Of the soil or medium (root zone/reservoir/run-off) and of the water and/or nutrient mix that is fed to the plant? 6.4-6.6

Type and strength of nutrients used? NPK? EC/TDS/PPM levels? Of what you feed it as well as what is in the water by itself and in the soil/medium (run-off), or reservoir. 1000-1300ppm

Temperature? Day vs. night temp or highest and lowest temps? Root zone temps? 85-88 day night 75

Humidity %? Day vs. night 40%

Light system/watts/lumens/FLUX/PAR? 4 cob 400watt LED

Ventilation system? Size? CFM? CO2? AC, Humidifier, De-humidifier? Exhaust 6in intake 4 in humidifier 40%

Number “weeks/days” from into Season, Vegetative Growth or
Bloom/flowering? 33 days from breaking the surface.

So first off I am not too concerned about what is going on but just trying to understand what is going on. So I have feed some silica to both plants which is 0 0 0.5 never back to back feeding. The chocolope was feed one dose of cal mag. So not much for nutrients. Mostly just pH water. I have been trying to let them dry out to the point where they are a little droopy. I water then the droop gets worse to the point the leaves are curled. Then will perk up after some time of the water settling in. What I cant figure out if it is an overwater issue or an under watering issue?

The little bit of clawing would say it is getting too much nutrients. I want to start adding FF Trio but not sure I should. Would a flush be in order?

@Countryboyjvd1971 @dbrn32 @Tylan @Willd @WillyJ @BIGE @Screwauger @Ron330 @latewood @1BigFella

Also to just add the lights are 30 in from top of plant


I suspect the soil is a bit hot fir them
Ive had mix results when using ffof on young plants
I wouldn’t flush just let it dry out between waterings and dont feed anything
Can you post a picture as well @Smokin_ernie


Sure sign of excess nitrogen from what I recall. See how @Countryboyjvd1971’s advice takes and I think you’ll be ok.
I planted clones in a bed I amended with cow manure too close to planting time that wasn’t actually composted. They recovered after a few weeks that included a couple of soaking rains.


First off thanks brother! Sorry at work but I will get some photos when I get home. I was thinking that the soil is too hot for them. When I do a flush should I flush with sledgehammer? or pH water?


Clawing down could mean that it doesn’t have the calcium it needs and instead is pulling up all the potassium and nitrogen causing a nitrogen/potassium toxicity.


Thanks I knew it was getting too much of something. Looking like a flush could be in order.


This is interesting and it sounds logical. So flushing would be good and then after ad some cal mag?

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Might not even need to flush. Might just need cal-mag.

Here’s my reference btw, at 13:50 mark. Granted they’re talking about NFTG products but its still relevant.

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I wouldn’t flush it @Smokin_ernie
Post pictures later so we can get the visual before you do anything


Will do thanks.

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Depending on what calmag supplement you’re using, could be contributing to what I agree with the others, sounds like high n.

Would probably be easier to tell with the pics, just a thought in the meantime. A lot of the calmag bottles are dissolved calcium nitrate. So if you have one that’s like a 15-0-0 or 10-0-0 on top of a charged medium, could easily explain what you’re seeing.

That’s shooting from the hip for now, I agree with the others on how to proceed in meantime.


This is the chocolope claw

this is chocolope

This is the blackberry kush


@Countryboyjvd1971 @dbrn32 @Willd @Tylan I had to run home at lunch. Dog got out of the house and seeing she is a hunting dog she was off and running. Doesn’t listen to great to my wife. So anyways after calling her name and blowing a whistle she was back. Covered in mud but fine. So I took a quick photo scroll up one. If you want I try after work to get in natural light.


Natural light would be better, but the dark green an clawing leaves suggest what the others said is correct. Not terrible though.


This is blackberry not sure any better light if not I will get one when lights go out.

This is chocolope it has brown spots on leaves that is why I gave her some cal mag.

@Countryboyjvd1971 @dbrn32 any better


I’d say earlier assessments spot on. You can certainly wait to see what cb thinks as well.


So what I take from the video and the advice from you guys is. Don’t flush, use cal-mag which I checked and it is Botanicare Cal-Mag 2 0 0.

@Tylan @dbrn32 @Countryboyjvd1971

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I don’t see any reason to flush. Would probably settle out with a couple of plain ph’d waterings.

I don’t think that flushing would hurt it much. But not necessarily worth growing through the hassle if ph is in range and everything else seems ok.


Thanks @dbrn32 I appreciate the quick responces.


Luck of the draw lol. If I’m active I’ll usually respond to notifications in a timely fashion.

You can certainly see what the others think too, I’m by no means a master cultivator.