# Breeding help...I’m lost

I can’t wrap my head around this.
I crossed plant x with plant y…
I have seeds from the crossed plant from x and y(let’s say z)…
Plant z has a 1 male and 9 females…
I take the male from plant z and cross it back to female x…
Can I take the seeds from that and cross it back to the top female plant from z?

Sounds crazy but I think I worded that right

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I lab testing the top 3 plants from z but don’t know if I can cross it back between x and z

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@TXCanna you have a good handle on vigor. You’d probably know. @PurpNGold74 is also knowledgeable in breeding.

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I would take plant z and breed a male and a female from plant z call it plant w. Grow two of those seeds from w and breed them. Take a clone from female of plant w prior to harvesting seeds. Then grow plant w seeds taking a male and crossing it back into the female w clone.

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Can you write that out in as a mathmatical formula? So I can grasp it please? Lol or give me some reference material.

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So you have taken plant z’s genetics and strengthened them to get a more consistent version of z through selective inbreeding.

I like this idea. I just don’t want to stray away to far from the original mother. I’m going to try this

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To strengthen z you need a mother to save from z.

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Okay this makes sense to me. So I can stray away from the original x and y so fast?

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Crossing back into x is going to strengthen x in z. To strengthen the hybrid z you made you would want to breed z taking a female clone from z’s breeding. That would be your F1 clone. Hybrid vigor comes from your F1 generation only. So z becomes w. Then take w and breed it. Then take a male from w breeding and breed it back into your F1 clone. That would strengthen your original hybrid. Then the mother you would save would be your F1 clone. @PurpNGold74 come check me

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Let me dig up the article

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This makes total sense

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I’m glad I could direct you to the right people because I’m lost as hell lol

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Lol I get lost in it when. Reading sometimes. I have to read it 3-4 times.

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I’ll take a pic of my new baby

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X+Y=Z
Z+Z=W
W+W seed mixed with clone from a W=vigor

Is that correct

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