Thanx for the concern was a quick visit T3’s and a few days rest was the prescription should be back at work in couple of days 
Sorry to hear your all jacked up my man…
Chiropractor is what I would suggest…
I know people hate them… but I swear by them…
I was hit by a car as a kid… ever since one leg has always been 1 1/2 " shorter… non stop back problems with no luck in my future… just pain…
Hope you get better budd…
Lol sound like my boss except he’s pushing the idea since if I am not at work he has to be and next job needs a carpenter so no me and it’s off the list until I am good to go. T3’s still work good for me since I don’t take pills often and if I can tolerate it I will work through it month 6-8 weeks left of my season then can get in to see specialist during my off season
I moved 4 plants into new mother space today which is now 6’x3’ and did some breaking on my Crown Royal will be putting her in flower next she’s already 3’x3’ and will be far bigger before flowering space is open for her will take clones off her tomorrow
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@Donaldj Tell me more about that Crown Royal strain of cannabis If you have a minute. I only drink Crown Royal and caffeine free diet coke. I heard Crown Royal is a good strain but we don’t have it here @ILGM. Wonder I I could do next door to Colorado and get that strain?
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I think a lot people miss how close to a space heater those bigger hid really are. They do some work for the cost, but man you better ready for the heat.
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lol Crown Royal is a Blueberry Purple Kush cross I am yet to run her into flower but she is growing like a typical Kush strain bushy and tight node spacing
I did some heavy breaking lastnight to spread canopy since she was too thick and getting too tall. she is also in 5 Gal bag not pot which I punched holes all over to increase air. I usually use fabric pots but my fabric pots are closer to 3 1/2 Gal so testing. She out grew my mother space prompting a revamp of mother space but is now in my HID veg space in advance of being put into flower this is where the training starts full on and veg feeds are less about sustaining more about pushing growth
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All lights produce heat and watt for watt there is very little difference every electric device produces heat pumps fans lights even LED’s have fans to cool them So when trying to guess temps real watts still helps with the guess HID’s are just better known and the standard for larger grow spaces LED’s put out more lumens per watt like a 600w Hid does compared to 400 and 1000w HID. PAR is the actual goal more than lumens it’s the measure of photosynthetic available radiation basically what your plant uses white light is actually proving quite productive since it is closest to sunlight. Cob and LEC’s are an example in that they are more balanced spectrum than MH HPS or standard LED’s UV also has it’s part to play in resin production
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I agree. Although as led’s become more electrical efficient that doesn’t hold as true. About 2-3 years ago we were able to start running high powered led’s without fans through better heatsink technology. Today, we’re able to run several of the midpower packages without any heatsink at all at lower currents and maintain tc of 50c or less. At which all the manufacturers are at or above 50,000 hour lifespan when maintained.
I’m definitely not an engineer or scientist, but my understanding is that watt like every other unit of energy can do a certain amount of work. Calorie is the other unit I’m used to hearing, but it’s suppose to apply to them all… so out of the available energy that a watt can provide, the more work you do with it, the less that is left over to deal with as waste. In lighting, we’ll say the more lumens per watt or in our case ųmol per joule we create the less heat there us leftover to deal with. Like the calories we consume. The more we burn, the less that can be stored and turned into unwanted fat.
You can correct me if I’m wrong. But that’s my understanding.
lol a heatsink still releases heat into grow space and 50c is still a fair amount of heat since an egg will fry at around 60c Honestly I need to heat my space far more often than cool it so I love LEC’s at 1/2 the watts of a 600 and less than a 10% lumen drop at 10,000 hrs they work for memaybe in another few years when LED tech is cheaper for what I need
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Oh absolutely! Tc temp is the actual temp of diode though. Of course the better job you’re doing with removing heat to the sink, the closer your heatsink temp will resemble the diode temp. The 50c is a rating at which the diode produced x amount of light and was rated for 50,000 plus hours.
You could be at, above, or below the 50c depending on how you configure. For example, I recently built a small 80 watt light using bridelux eb strips. Data sheet rates them 161 lumens/watt @50c when run at 700ma without heatsink. I mounted them to 1.5"x .125 aluminum bar stock using double sided thermal transfer tape and ran at 700ma. After 2 hours, Tc was about 37.8c and bar stick was about 37c at warmest points. Plenty cool enough to touch, even grab and hold onto. But mounted to the top of a small grow cabinet with good air movement it only raised ambient canopy temp from 72f ambient outside cabinet to 74f at canopy level.
I’m not familiar with lec, only mh/hps. But my understanding is they are quite a bit better in the par vs heat category, and like you said best for your application. But I also see a lot of people still posting stuff about leds that isn’t necessarily still true. Much like saying your lec is no different than an hps, they’re both hid lighing so essentially the same. When in fact the characteristics as they apply to horticulture are quite different.
I did a post on LEC’s when I first started researching them for my space and after a few harvests using them I am more sold on their effectiveness I suspect much like standard HID’s as more start to use them more bulb manufacturer’s will get on board and better bulbs will come on market In my case using 600w HID’s was too warm 400’s was too little par so 315’s were the split difference solution my power bill has dropped by around $150 bi monthly with only an oz or so yield loss but that can be as simple as finding right strain or extra week on veg 
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Well my BB in flower is about ready for Dry Kool bloom dose next watering them will start with just straight rain water
LOL Light Emitting Ceramic or Ceramic Metal Halide use HID lights for main veg and flower spaces and t5’s for mothers I am not on the Led rocket yet I suspect I would do my homework and make my own from scratch to match my space
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Got ya , ok I’m look. Into those today.
Well will be breaking out the neem tomorrow spotted a few thrips today on one of my mothers nothing in my flower spaces most bugs and pests are looking for warmer spaces to hold up over winter this time of year so finding lots of spiders ladybugs and wasps finding my shed comfy Easily dealt with so long as kept out of flower spaces and will be sealing up outdoor intakes soon enough and everything will be recirculating
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Let these 2 ladies go natural no screen the front of picture is BB which is in it’s final 2-3 weeks and will be getting Dry Koolbloom next feed followed by straight water the Hairy one behind is PK and will need extra week or more than the BB
top picture is CR mother which is getting heavily trained to fill space once these ladies all finish
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Back almost feels normal this morning and since I am still off Dr’s orders will do some lite work in my shed screening air intakes spraying mothers and veg plants with neem oil organizing. Lmao always seem to be organizing that’s due to my desire to product test which results in samples of this and that adding to my collection all the time and the fact it is a storage space too.
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good to hear things are getting back to normal, light work is good, don’t plan on as much real labor, do other less physically demanding jobs…organizing is always good…as for new products, lol, after I get something from Amazon, a week later I get a request to review the item…and what kind of results can you expect in a week?.. “It didn’t kill my plants”?
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Lol my curse is 5 local hydro shops and impulse buys followed by a desire not to throw out products I quit using on off chance I may need them at some point. I could easily get rid of all my AN crap and most of my organic nutes but keep thinking I may use them in soil at some point? can’t store them outside and discrete disposal of things can be tricky at times. I tend to add things to my work garbage or make dump trips and double bag I would compost leafs and stalks but my dogs tend to dig things up so has to be perfectly timed to be mixed in and buried with grass clippings.
That doesn’t stop me from getting rid of garbage airstones which cracked and making a dump trip worth while today?