lol I’m going to probably end up with Smokn Granny Groans 
Sneak Preview: “Auto Flowering is Not Idiotproof”
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I haven’t used lemon juice or vinegar but used a lot of baking soda and citric acid (possibly another cheap ph down) and they worked fine.
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I use both vinegar and baking soda to raise and lower pH, both are effective and cheaper than pH up or down which are a hassle if you don’t have a pet shop with aquariums nearby. Wouldn’t trust the swimming pool formulas on my plants. Have to be careful with vinegar, though, and only add small amounts at a time.
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That was the problem with citric acid. You were using it like salt from a shaker. Just a tiny bit was all you needed.
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@DieHigh55 & @Myfriendis410 thanks for sharing your experiences. I’m pretty sure that most people have vinegar and baking soda in their cupboards or both are easily accessible. On a personal level I haven’t tested ph (but will!) so I think adding an eyedropper to cost of supplies might be appropriate?
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Those plastic pipettes are the bomb!
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I have plenty of those for soap making 
. But I’m trying to keep a running total of best & alternative expenses & little things add up rather quickly.
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BTW tips for alternative methods of doing things for those who have a disability are also welcome.
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Absolute necessity, a few should be on hand as the lines and numbers wear off eventually. Also handy for measuring out liquid nutrients.
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Count on the Alans…as one of my foremen used to say, " if you can’t dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bullsh*t!"
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Whats a cheap way to setup to collect rainwater? Buying water for them now.
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I’ve seen some DIYs on Pinterest if you have gutters .
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Yep 
been there done that
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I also have & recommend having a flashlight, magnifier & a sharp knife &/or scissors handy
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Where can i p/u patience of a saint?Lol, so i know ill need gutters, a large barrel, what about filtering & how long would it be good water?
A bucket, a very large one.
All good questions. I’ll have to get back on Pinterest and see 
PS you’re on your own re:patience. I learned it by raising bird dogs 
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You could use a dark trashcan that’s heavy duty and the water is good for a long time. Anything white or opaque like my 30 gallon barrel I found causes algea to grow even in winter.
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Did you share pictures of your veg light with the group?
It’s embarrassing. You’ve seen it before. I cut it up from the first grow.
Not a good picture but first grow
Still not a good picture, but this grow. Basically 5 t5s attached to a piece of luan with reflective insulating foam. The lights were about $25 a piece at the time. Now they’re $50 for one from sunblaster with a reflector.
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